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Discussion Topic: Your Personal Transformers Continuity and Fanon ideas

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Sabrblade at 2008-07-16 11:11 am

For as long as there has been Transformers, there have been TF fans. and as far as fans go, there are those who like to take the overall story/stories of Transfomers and put it into a continuity consisting of what they believe is canon.

These "Personal Continuities" (or "PCs" as we'll abbreviate) can be very unique from fan to fan, depending on what they consider canon and what canon ideas that they believe in (known as "fanon") which have been included into their personal continuities.

This discussion is to allow you to share with us what your Transformers PC (that is, if you have one) and fanon ideas are like (without having to force them on us). In other words, describe to us what your PC is like by outlining it completely, but as briefly as you can. You may have to do multiple posts for this, but use the EDIT button as best you can. As you are outlining your PC, try to throw in some of your Fanon ideas in with them. And, if you are having some dificulty with inserting things into your PC, let us know about that too, because we may be able to help you.

However, if you do not have a PC, feel free to ask those who do questions about theirs. 

One more thing, do not stray off topic by talking merging Transformers with some other non-related franchise. It get very confusing when that happens. So stick with the Transformers it'll be cool.

Here's my PC as an example.

Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-16 11:25:26
My PC is actually divided into six(!) different universes. The first one is the G1/Beast Era universe, which goes like this:

- My own version of the “Primus vs. Unicron” & “Cyberton’s Origin” story, modified to better fit with both the G1 cartoon, and the modern interpretations of Primus and Unicron.
- The first part of episode 1 of the first season of the G1 cartoon (the beginning to the crash on Earth).
- Episodes 1 through 23 of season one of the Beast Wars cartoon.
- My own idea/story for a Beast Wars movie, which I’m still having trouble naming (its current temporary name is “Beast Wars Transformers: the Movie – Vengeance Across Time”).
- Episodes 24-26 of Beast Wars season one, all of season two, then episodes 1-8 of season three (40-47 overall).
- My idea/story for a second Beast Wars movie (or it could be a TV Special or OVA), which doesn’t have a name either (its temporary name is “Beast Wars Transformers: Rise of the Predator King”).
- Episodes 9-13 (48-52) of Beast Wars season three.
- My own version of the Primeval Dawn and Omega Point comics that take place post-season three and involve the Maximal “Ark Guardians,” led by Primal Prime, vs. the Predacon “Shadow Renegades,” led by the undead Tarantulas.
- The Micromaster Collection manga.
- The rest of G1 episode 1, the rest of season one, all of season two, and the earlier “Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers” manga.
- The Scramble City OVA (and not the Toys version) and the rest of the FSRLTF manga.
- The Sunbow G.I. Joe cartoon (this is included due to Cobra Commander A.K.A. Snake appearing in season 3 and some other characters appearing in Binaltech and Kiss Players).
- Then, at this point, the timeline splits into two. The Binaltech story starts here and goes into its own timeline. In the regular flow of time, the timeline continues.
- The RobotMasters fiction.
- The original G1 Transformers: the Movie.
- G1 season three and all the 2010 manga.
- Then a short story I'm thinking of to introduce the Trainbots, to make Galvatron no longer insane, to have Athenia terraformed and the Athenia base & Autobot space bridge built, and to revive several characters who died or disappeared from seasons one and two.
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-16 11:25:37
Continuing from where I left off, here’s the rest of my G1/Beast Era universe:

- The Headmasters anime and manga (sans issues 4 and 7, which contradict the anime).
- The Super-god Masterforce anime (excluding the manga)
- My own idea for another Beast Wars spinoff series that takes place in modern times and uses characters who were given toys in both the U.S. and Japan, but didn’t make it into any of the shows (and I STILL can’t think of a name for this series, not even a temporary one, ugh!). The Maximals are led by Polar Claw, and the Predacons change command from Buzz Saw, to Shadow Panther, to Scavenger.
- The Victory anime (excluding the manga)
- The Zone anime/manga and story pages
- The earlier Return of Convoy story pages, the Battlestars manga, and the rest of the Return of Convoy story pages
- The Operation Combination story pages.
- Nucleon Quest Convoy's bio fiction and a short Action Masters conflict that I'm thinking of.
- The Generation 2 mini-manga and story pages (excluding the "The Earth is in Danger" manga).
- Laser Ultra Magnus' bio fiction.
- My Machine Wars: Transformers fanfic series (still a work-in-progress) that takes place 50 years after the Great Wars end and 250 years before the Beast Era.
- The fiction of the Beast Wars II toy catalog, the “Theft of the Golden Disk” episode, and parts of the “Dawn of the Future’s Past” comic.
- The Beast Wars II anime and movie (excluding the manga)
- The Beast Wars Neo anime (excluding the manga)
- The Beast Machines cartoon; and my own version of the Wreckers comic to include several unaffiliated groups of Maximals and Vehicons that would come together toward the end.
- My own version of the Universe series

I've also got a "What If" version of Beast Machines that takes place on Earth in modern times. This is a standalone series that is unrelated to any other series, save for Beast Wars only.
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-16 11:25:49
My second universe is the Car Robots/Robots in Disguise universe:

- The Robots in Disguise anime.
- My own sequel stories the continue the series, bring the battle back to Earth, introducing several toy-only characters into the series (and explaining why there are so many Decepticons when they just started off as a sub-group, since the Predacons should be the primary evil faction), and then having some of them thrown into the G1 /Beast Era timeline to take part in the Universe War.

Then comes the Unicron Trilogy which consists of TWO universes:

- The Armada/Micron Legend anime and the Linkage mini-manga.
- The Energon/Superlink anime.
- Some small stories I’m thinking of to throw some characters from both series into the G1/Beast Era timeline to take part in the Universe War.

- The Cybertron/Galaxy Force anime is in its own timeline. I have tried countless times to figure a way to insert it with A/E, but there are just WAY too many inconsistencies between them.

Next is the Movieverse:

- Some of the prequel material (it’s hard for me to figure out which, though)
- The 2007 live action film.
- The sequel – Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen.

Finally, there’s the Transformers Animated universe:

- The TF: Animated cartoon
- The TF: Animated IDW comics
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-16 11:26:05
Although, my PC is not without its flaws. There are still some things I’m having trouble with:

- The naming of some of my series that I pointed out before.
- Trying to insert some (not ALL) of the Kiss Players fiction (that series is really confusing and not just for the obvious reasons).
- Trying to figure out at what point of Beast Wars season one Primal and Megatron are transported to the time of the Robotmasters fiction and to when they are transported back.
- Trying to figure out at what point Lio Convoy is transported from the Beast Wars II anime to the time of the Robotmasters fiction and to when he is transported back.
- Trying to figure out when the Beast Wars II movie takes place within the series itself.
- Trying to fit the Beast Wars Reborn fiction into the G1/Beast Era timeline.
- Trying to find out if there is any manga for Superlink and Galaxy Force and where each would in their respective series.
- Trying to insert Cybertron/Galaxy Force in with Armada and Energon (I’m starting to give up on this attempt).
- Trying to figure out where the Henkei! Henkei! Transformers manga goes in the G1/Beast Era continuity (I have absolutely no idea where it goes because it's early characters in new, but similar to their old, bodies.

Well, that’s my Personal Continuity.
Master Dex said,  - 2008-07-16 11:48:48
I pretty much stick with how it appears. G1 and BW in the same universe, Unicron Trilogy is its own, and Animated is unrelated as well. However I do try to change up the creation stories. Like I go with the Primus and Unicron origin story from most of the comics but I still have the Quintessons in there but instead of creating the Transformers they enslaved them when the Transformer race was still young and the revolt that eventually happened was against their slave masters instead of their oppressive creators.
TriPredRavage said,  - 2008-07-16 12:33:58
I pretty much stick with the way that it goes with a few personal changes. I follow animated series continuity first, comics are secondary to me and can be removed. For example, I beleive that the original timeline goes as follows:
G1 > Headmasters > Masterforce > Victory > Zone > Beast Wars > Primeval Dawn > Beast Wars II > Beast Wars Neo > Beast Machines > Universe Comics
You can see that in my continuity, the Beast Wars IDW comics have been removed because, while they draw from the JBW series, they don't fully incorporate them and, like I said, I take animated series precedence. Also, in my interpretation of the JBW series, all of the characters use their English names.
But, I also believe that the events of the Beast Wars creat a divergent timeline that leads to RiD off of the history altered by the Beast Wars, so that timeline looks like:
G1 > Headmasters > Masterforce > Victory > Zone > Beast Wars > Primeval Dawn > RiD
I also incorporate Robot Masters, but I don't completely know how it fits in for me yet, so I've excluded it from my lines.
Finally, there's the Unicron Trilogy that I believe is merely an alternate universe of the G1 continuity and characters of the same name are merely the alternate universe version of themselves. This theory is supported by the Universe comics conclusion that takes place in the TF: Cybertron; Balancing Act comics.
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-16 12:37:29
About your RobotMasters deal, this might help: it takes place in 2004-2005, before the G1 movie.
TriPredRavage said,  - 2008-07-16 12:39:44
Comics is where things get a little hairy.
This, I gues would go:
War Within > Marvel G1 > Classicverse > Dreamwave G1 > Machine Wars > Alternators > Beast Wars OP/Megs 2Pack > Beast Wars TV series > BW Gathering > DW Beast Wars Summer Special Issue > BW Ascending
G2 is in there too, but I'm not sure if it is before or after Classicverse yet. I haven't read enough of it to know yet. Wherever BW comics decide to go from there will follow, and I'm sure it'll tick me off, because I have a serious problem with the JBW characters coexisting with there NA counterparts. Wasn't a problem if we didn't get them, too, like Lio and a majority of the BWN cast, but Apache and B'Boom running around together? Now that's just stupid.
TriPredRavage said,  - 2008-07-16 12:48:24
The thing with RM is that I haven't really decided what timeline it comes in. Here's the thing:
I beleive that BW and BWII take place side by side one another, but in different eras of time (BW in the past, BWII in the present (our future)). So, I think Primal dies, and then is reborn in the BWII movie, which is why Rhinox has such a hard time finding him on "the other side of the Matrix" in "Coming of the Fuzors". From there, I believe that Primal does not return to his time and instead lands the past to the G1 era and takes place in RM. Leo Prime (Lio Convoy) arrives in the RM time when he enters the wormhole discussed in BWNeo, where Big Convoy eventually locates Leo Prime.
BUT the confusing part comes from Beast Megatron. I believe that he gets there due to the message sent in the Beast Wars: Transmetals game. The story goes there that Megatron loses the Beast Wars and sends him self a message through time to just before the Quantum Surge hits, thus allowing him to save Terrorsaur and make Waspinator Transmetal as well. But I think in the process of him getting that message, he learns something about time travel and uses it, sending him into the future to the G1 era, where Primal arrives from the future, and Leo from the even farther future. This plan ultimately fails, he returns to his past with his now army of Transmetals, the BW Transmetal game takes place, and things go from there. Ultimately, I guess I'm saying that in my continuity, RM is really just another divergent timeline.
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-16 12:50:57
Machine Wars never had any fiction, no comics whatsoever.

Nor did Alternators, but its counterpart Binaltech did, but that takes place in the animated series continuity.
TriPredRavage said,  - 2008-07-16 12:54:43
I know that Sabr, I just feel that if it can take place in any continuity at all, it'll be in comics. And don't go telling me how my PC goes. If I want MW and Alternators to go there, then by golly, they shall. Oh, and also, I think the BW 2-pack comic has great leaneincy, obviously. Cheetor, Razorbeast, Waspinator, and Tarantulus are not the same ones from the TV series/IDW comics. It's just where it goes in my book.
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-16 13:06:51

Though, videogames aside, I'm still trying to figure out when BW Megs is sent to RM and back. I'm thinking it might've happened when the quantum surge occurred and he passed out after yelling "What is happening to me?!!" After all, we know very little about the Blastizone, so it could be very unpredictable and could've warped him to 2004 (and increased his size in the process) and then be sent back (and shruken down) to reawaken in his Transmetal body.

Yet, this theory of mine is still a little confusing, even to me.
TriPredRavage said,  - 2008-07-16 13:12:27
That's why I just accept the BWTM game as a divergent timeline in itself, because that's actually what it is. Even the little guidebook says so, so really anything can happen from there, and it makes it easier to accept Megs making it to RM. Which, really, it would happen pretty much in that exact moment that you are talking about or just a little bit before. In reality, there's very little that can explain Megs' appearance in RM.
Slashwing said,  - 2008-07-16 13:14:08
My PC works with alternate universes that are more or less chronally displaced you can travel to an alternate reality where the beast wars is happening and then travel to one where it´s still G-1 or any of the parts of the Unicron trilogy,and has a nexus universe at the centre which hasn´t been described yet and holds "true" to mostly 90% of the stories told in America,Japan and Europe (Except kiss Players I hate that thing!!)
Jumpercliff said,  - 2008-07-16 13:29:33
Oh, in mine, it's a bit complex....I'll just state that:

-After the Return of Optimus Prime (Parts 1 and 2), they go to the remains of the mausoleum and have the Quint scientist they recruited bring back the Autobots who got killed in the movie.
-It still takes place still in the 80s with Josie Beller being an Autobot ally instead of Marissa Faireborn (who becomes warrant officer for the GI Joe: Extreme Team).
-Daniel is Spike's younger brother (and his son is Rad from Armada, and his nephews being Coby and Bud).
-The Beast series takes place (instead of 300 years) after the end of G2 (the end of the Great War). The RID 'bots and 'cons are created after the reformatting and the 'Bots take on the 'Galactic police' roles.
-During the course of the G1 toon the Autobots meet up and form a strong friendship with the GI Joe team.
-All the Autobots and Maximals (those who had a toy being the majority) who fought against the Deceps, Preds, and Unicron operate and live in a PITT-style base known as New Iacon to monitor activity on Earth and Cybertron. This continues after the events of Cybertron.

(More to come in a few moments....)

-Ten years after the events of the Secret Wars in the 90's Spider-man cartoon (1997), the Beyonder (Earl Boen) talks with Madam Web (Joan Lee) over how there are new forms of evil that have appeared throughout the globe and across space. He decides that he will conduct a new test to see if good can still triumph over these new evils. So he first selects a new individual to lead the heroes who will face the villains, and he selects, much to a surprise...Ash Ketchum, seeing potential in the boy and having observed the acts he performed to save the Pokemon regions and the world. Once transported (along with Pikachu) right in front of Brock, May, and Max to the platform where the entities await, Ash is told by the Beyonder of the great task ahead, and proceeds to show him which villains will overrun the planet: The Mirage Master (the villain in one of the Pokemon movies), The master of the princes (minus the real-life references) from Duel Masters, Bakura, Boris (from Beyblades, with the power to summon his beast), Laserman (from Megaman NT Warrior) and Dr. Regal, Orochimaru (from Naruto), M. Bison (90's American cartoon version), Mumm-ra, Skeletor (00's version), Spacegodzilla (albeit more intelligent and communicable), Cyber-Godzilla (from Godzilla: the Series), Darkseid, Carnage, Dr. Piranoid, Bad Rap, Lord Dregg (from later seasons of the old TMNT cartoon), Dark Gemini ( the evil half of the Gemini Knight from Knights of the Zodiac), Talpa (from Ronin Warriors), the Master of Shadows (the villain from later Ghostbusters seasons), Golobulus (the villain from GI Joe: the Movie), and Jhiaxus. They then proceed to overtake parts of the palnet, with some forming joint rules (in pairs). Ash is then transported to a base/lab similar to the one used by Spider-Man to bring an unrequiered amount of heroes to fight. He and Pikachu then come up with the following on the computer: Shobu Kirufuda, Yugi Moutou, Tyson Granger, Lan Hikari and Megaman, Naruto Uzumaki, Guile (90's American Cartoon version), Lion-O, He-Man and Battle Cat (00's cartoon version), the current Godzilla (his son from Godzilla vs Destroyer as he appeared in Godzilla: Final Wars), the Western Godzilla, Superman (DC Animated Universe version), Spider-Man (since he led the heroes in the original Secret Wars, and voiced by Christopher Daniel Barnes), Ripster (the head Street Shark), T-Bone (the head Extreme Dino), all four Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Seiya (the Pegasus Knight (and the one who trained Ash and a few others to become a new generation of knights a year before Ash moved on into the Hoenn region)), Ryo (Ronin of the Wildfire), All four original Ghostbusters and Slimer (having maintained a regular diet and exercise in case reserves were needed by the Extreme Ghostbusters), Falcon (GI Joe's Green Beret, voiced by Don Johnson (I mean, what else is he doing nowadays)), and finally, Optimus Prime I ( the G1 Prime we all know and love, head of the other leaders (consisting of Optimus Prime II (RID), Optimus Prime III (Unicron Trilogy), Cheetor, Leo Convoy, and Big Convoy (respectfully called Leomus and Massimus Prime)). After Ash explains what's going on, with Spider-Man vouching for him, they start rebuilding the base a bit after an attack by what resembles Jhiaxus' troops. Later, Donatello and Egon Spengler create translator devices that allow communication with both Godzillas. The rest of the heroes then decide to let Ash lead them, with Spider-Man and Optimus as advisors and Falcon providing military strategy. For the first half of the second Secret Wars they go around taking out the more magic-oriented with tech foes (Mumm-ra and Skeletor, Dark Gemini and Talpa, Boris and Dr. Regal, Space and Cyber-Godzilla). Following advice from Spider-Man (who transported additional help from Black Cat the last time), Ash has some heroes select who they would want to help them, resulting in the transporting of: Misty, Hot Rod and Firebolt, Cheetor, Teela, Zodac, the rest of the BladeBreakers (Ray, Max, Daichi, and Kai), some of Yugi's friends (Joey, Kaiba, Marik, and Jaden Yuki, with Yugi's puzzle a year earlier giving off an energy wave allowing the cards in his and his friends decks to actually come alive when needed, including Jaden's friends'), Blanka, Chun-Li, Sakura (Naruto's), Sasuke (before he turned traitor), Shobu's allies (Mimi, Hakuo, Kokujo, and a more mature looking George), The other Ronin Warriors (Kento, Sai, Rowen, and Sage), the knights Shiryu, Hyoga, Shun, and Ikki, and Sienna, Chaud and Protoman, Maylu and Roll (with their own crossfusion), Duke (GI Joe, in his final Valor vs Venom uniform with his head based on the 80's version, voiced by Michael Bell), Jinx (GI Joe), Splinter, Hardrock (the anklyosaur of the Extreme Dinosaurs), Lynx-O, Cheetara, Big Slammu, Jab, Batman, Wonder Woman, Captain America, and Firestar (a more serious version, yet voiced by Kathy Garver). They then proceed to tkae down the rest of the villains, and are returned to Earth by the Beyonder, pleased with the results. He also transports some villains (including Orochimaru) back to their respective storngholds. Earlier, before the fight had even started, the Beyonder had left a small video player on Earth in different locations showing any ally of each hero who would find it to wait at a building on a small unknown island in the Pacific (somewhere between Japan and the hidden region where Naruto lives). There, ally alike met and defended the island when it came under attack by Parademons and Quintesson remnants, and later by Cobra, HYDRA, and Nemesis Prime's team of alternate Decepticons. After the war, the respective leaders decided to form a NATO-style pact to aid each other when needed, thus forming a galaxy-wide allied force known only as the United Heroes.
Fire in the Sky said,  - 2008-07-16 13:56:49
In my PC...
-The Cybertron series is not part the Unicron Trilogy.
-Rumble is blue/purple and Frenzy is red/black.
-Cybertron is still mechanical, and it never was organic. -Wheeljack didn't die in TF:TM
-The only things that are true in the G1 universe are American cartoons (Heck, that goes for all the franchises)
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-16 13:58:39
Sounds like you heavily rewrote a bunch of parts of the TF stories, Jumpercliff.
Jumpercliff said,  - 2008-07-16 15:23:07
Well, just like it was stated earlier, this is my own personal continuity and idea.
TriPredRavage said,  - 2008-07-16 15:24:54
Oh... My... GOD, Jumpercliff. You have greated the most expansive crossover... EVER. It spans continuities, countries, oceans and continents!
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-16 15:30:46
Are you serious, Jumpercliff?!!! You have got to be kidding me! This is a conversation about Transformers continuity, not whatever reality your imagination can create. You barely even mentioned any TF stuff in that description.

You're supposed to talk about your personal Transformers continuity, not your "take something for every show and make up a story" continuity. This should be obivious since this a Transfomers-related site.
Megatrong1 said,  - 2008-07-16 16:11:59
i have a question for fans about the transformers time line of evens i think it happen in the order of w.w.i./g1/g2/bw/bm/rid/a/e/c/animated/m because if i remember curectly micromasters were created because of low energon levels could explain the bw/bm size and if you notice till armada they got bigger also my friend shockwave said in the movie there planet look like a waist land so he think it could be in the future the question is what do fans think the time line order is
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-16 16:25:28
Well, what is your question? I see nothing but statements in your post.
Bass X0 said,  - 2008-07-16 16:55:44
I have Machine Wars taking part in its own universe but connected to others. I came up with this several years ago. I'll be brief but may return later to add some details to it.

During the Dreamwave Energon comics, Alpha-Q plots to stop the Autobots from ever reaching Earth in the first place so he sends Leviticus through time to prevent them doing so. However Leviticus arrives not in his own universe but the G1 universe before the Autobots and Decepticons leave Cybertron and end up discovering Earth; Leviticus, still acting out his orders, assumes the role of an Autobot high commander and upon hearing of Prime's reports to leave Cybertron, Leviticus reassigns Prime's hand-picked team to other missions as a way to stop him. Optimus Prime however is still determined to leave and is forced to take a much smaller crew of whoever is available - these are Mirage, Prowl, Hoist, Hubcap and the Wrecker Sandstorm. Not an ideal team but he has to make do.

Not able to stop them leaving, Leviticus informs the Decepticons and instructs them to stop the Autobots. Megatron takes his team into space (Starscream, Thundercracker, Skywarp and Soundwave) and events happen as before so that both factions crash on pre-historic Earth.

However, this time the Transformers wake up in year 1997 and gain different alternate modes to what they usually have in the regular universe (although Soundwave took his minions with him, none of them survived) - and so begins the Machine Wars!

[insert typical Autobot vs. Decepticon battles here, and Megatron creats a decoy of himself - Megaplex]
Bass X0 said,  - 2008-07-16 16:56:02

Machine Wars ends when Galvatron travelling through dimensions hunting down all Megatrons for whatever reason arrives (this is set before Galvatron's appearance in the Armada comic story "World's Collide" but does not show any of the Armada story). Both Autobots and Decepticons are forced to team up to fight Galvatron but Galvatron ends up wiping out almost all of them single-handedly. Although Megatron tricks Galvatron with Megaplex, Megatron himself is destroyed. The only survivors are Optimus Prime (now in his new Laser Rod body) and Soundwave. Galvatron not caring about staying in this dimension after killing Megatron leaves through a time portal. Both Soundwave and Optimus Prime follow him and end up in a completely different universe where Unicron is gathering energon to become stronger and find themselves in a different color scheme than before (Optimus Prime gets the Spychanger Optimus Prime toy color scheme). Soundwave teams up with Space Case and fights once again for the Decepticons while Optimus Prime is reunited with Prowl, Mirage and Hoist - friends he saw die mere moments ago in his own timeline although now in different bodies and sharing none of the same experiences that the Prowl, Mirage and Hoist did from his own universe. And Optimus Prime once again continues the fight alongside his fellow Autobots against Unicron.
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-16 17:03:12
Wow, that is completely different from my Machine Wars series. Mine's part of G1, and yours is part of the Unicron Trilogy, but that's only a fraction of what's different between mine and yours.
Bass X0 said,  - 2008-07-16 17:03:43
"i think it happen in the order of w.w.i./g1/g2/bw/bm/rid/a/e/c/animated/m"

No. Parts of G1 happen in the present day. As does RiD, Armada, and the Movie. Plus in many series, Transformers as a race have never stepped foot on Earth before and nobody knows about them when they do whereas in other series, their existence is made public.

And when you say "G1", which "G1" do you mean? Cartoon? Marvel comics? Dreamwave comics? IDW comics?

Well, its not part of the Unicron trilogy - its the G1 universe split into another timeline because of a time traveller from another dimension. And it ends because of another time traveller who destroys almost all the Transformers on Earth with the two survivors then going on to take part in Universe. But mainly its about the G1 characters if events had happened differently to what we are used to.

I did it this way because I didn't want Machine Wars to be in timeline continuity with other series. Like I didn't want Megatron who was once a gun in G1 who then became a tank for G2 to later become a jet for MW. It was easier to create a new universe for Machine Wars than to try fit those bodies into my main G1 universe (basically the Marvel universe with some alterations) and give a reason why they get those bodies.
KilledbyDeath said,  - 2008-07-16 17:06:15
I'm trying to figure out where Megatron Origin, and the War Within go.
Bass X0 said,  - 2008-07-16 17:24:24
Megatron Origin would obviously come before The War Within. Optronix hasn't become Optimus Prime during MO and there are no Autobots, just a group of Transformers who use the insignia thats to gain the name Autobot later on.

Although its messy since Megatron Origin wasn't written to be a direct prequel to The War Within - read both at the same time and pick out parts which don't fit and mentally correct them yourself with a slight "re-write" so that they do fit.
Darkton said,  - 2008-07-16 17:45:25
Primacron did not neccesarily build Unicron himself, just a body for him. The Oracle hid the information from the Primatives to better protect them. Not to mention Primacron's own arrogance skewed his thoughts of the situation.

Primus inhabited Cybertron, turning it into a lush, organic world. His conciousness (sp?) was transferred into Vector Sigma, and this was used to create the first life on Cybertron, the primatives. The Quintessons later found this planet, turned it into the world of steel as we all know, and used Vector Sigma to create the first Cybertroninans, unaware of its connections to Primus. Later, Primus left Vector Sigma to his creations, and only a few knew about its connection to Cybertron. Meanwhile, he retreated to where he became the Oracle (G1), and when Unicron's body was created, he placed a part of himself into the Matrix of Leadership.

TFCog has a wonderful fandub of Headmasters, Scramble City, and Robot Masters, so I incorperate those in as well. Therefore, my timeline goes something like:

G1>Headmasters>Masterforce>Victory>Beast Wars>Beast Machines

RiD is an alternate universe, and the U3 is somewhere inbetween. The Unicron Singularity did major damage to most major timelines, which would explain the similarities between the U3 Optimus and Megatrons and thier BW selves, and certain characters being alive in the Japan series (notably Wheeljack in Victory).

So, there you have it.
Perceptor said,  - 2008-07-16 19:19:18
Holy gawd this is a lot to read! As some of you know, I do in fact have some opinions on the subject... More on this later after I've processed all the above!
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-16 19:42:01
Perceptor! You're finally here! Yes! Can't wait to hear your version of the big story.

You know what's kinda funny, Perceptor? I was about to start this topic last week, but then TPR emailed me saying how you would react to lear that we held a topic about continuity without you. So I held it off until today.
Barricade said,  - 2008-07-16 20:14:35
The way I like it - War Within, G1 Cartoon, G2 comics(just a little tweaking could make it work!), Beast Wars cartoon and comic, then Beast Machines. A few wrinkles, but not any more than between the 2007 movie, Ghosts of Yesterday, and the prequel comic.
TriPredRavage said,  - 2008-07-16 21:26:22
Yeah, that's me, looking out for everyone. I'm a giver. Give, give, give, that's all I do.
Dogzilla said,  - 2008-07-16 23:09:18
Well, there's been so many good ones over the years, here are my favorites in order.

Marvel G2
Marvel G1
Current IDW G1/G2
Dreamwave G1/War Within
Live Action Movie
Dreamwave Armada
Beast Wars
Beast Machines
Byrerprime said,  - 2008-07-16 23:12:11
Seems like most of you believe in divergence, which is when events cause multiple realities to occur in parallel dimensions. This is the way most comics are written and the format used by Simon Furman. The other format is more linear and is the preferred method used in television and movies. Examples of linear timelines include Back to the Future movies and War Dawn and Forever is a Long Time Coming from the G1 cartoons. Examples of divergent timelines are the end of Armada comics where Unicron is killing all the Optimus Primes and the Galvatron stories in the UK and later, US G1 comics. In divergent timelines, going back in time and changing things would cause another reality to form, while going back and changing things in a linear timeline would change the future. I'm not trying to start another topic, but this seems like a good place to know the difference.
Tonybsuave said,  - 2008-07-16 23:31:38
wow... Jumpercliff I think my brain, eyes, and for some reason my pancreas all just simultaneously melted. Interesting stuff, I'm a little more simple: Autobots crash- Beast Wars- Autobots wake up- G1-G2-, there's one universe. RID is a standalone. Unicron trilogy can work if you tweak Cybertron so that it fits, I mean it did have all the annoying humans in the last episode after all, so that's universe three. Movie 2007 is by itself till next year. Then there's Animated all by its lonesome. Oh and if you're wondering about BM, I hated that show so forget it, as for the Japanese stuff, I just dont know enough about it to include it. So there you go, one man's simple opinion and I just realized how very uncreative I am as far as my interpretation of the ol' TF universes go, oh well.
Master Dex said,  - 2008-07-16 23:32:17
I've seen TV shows also use M-Theory based time manipulation, but in TF they do tend to form a more linear timeline. I actually believe in M-Theory which is a combination of all the String Theories saying there are 11 dimensions (we only perceive 4 including time) and the 11th is a plane in which the infinite number of universes lie on, i.e. the multiverse, hence the M. Using this as a basis there is an infinite number of universes (or realities as some say) where the differences can be radically different or nearly identical. Every decision you make creates different universes. Say you had cereal for breakfast instead of pancakes, well there is another universe where the only difference up to that point is that you had pancakes for breakfast. This goes with what Byerprime is saying that time travel here creates a new reality or universe without changing the one you starting with.

Still not on topic but I was elaborating on Byerprime's statement as I like things like that.
Byrerprime said,  - 2008-07-16 23:37:25
The way my PC works is:

*Primus and Unicron arrive in our universe as described in the G2 comics. Primus creates the Transformers and goes into slumber. Primacron builds Unicron a new body and the Quintessons subjugate the newly created Transformers. The Mini-Cons leave Cybertron, creating the first divergence(U3).
*The Aerialbots help A3 drive the Quints off the planet, creating the second divergence(WW).
*The Headmasters stay on Cybertron in the main branch. Them leaving Cybertron for planet Master is the third divergence(JP).
*The origin story of the asteroids is the events of the main branch. The Autobots destroying the asteroids without incident is the fourth divergence(ID).
*After the Ark leaves Cybertron, Shockwave becomes ruler of Cybertron. His deciding to come to Earth is the fifth divergence(MC)
*All G1 episodes including the movie, The Beast Wars and Beast Machines all take place in this continuity.

Some events depicted in other continuities may have also occurred in this one. For example, the Autobots that were brought onboard the Ark as engrams and given life on Earth such as Hoist and Tracks is not depicted in the cartoons, but does happen.
Byrerprime said,  - 2008-07-17 00:01:27
The U3 divergence has the Mini-Cons staying on Cybertron, leading up to the events in the Armada, Energon, and Cybertron cartoons. I'm not sure the event that causes this divergence, but the Armada and Energon comics separate from the U3 universe to become the AE universe.

The WW divergence is the War Within comics. I think it may have something to do with A3/Alpha Trion not creating Optimus Prime in this universe as he does in the main branch.

The JP divergence includes all the Japanese G1 cartoons and occurs when the Headmasters leave Cybertron.

The ID, or IDW divergence is a little tougher. I take a little creative freedom to say that the Autobot mission to destroy the asteroids was a huge success, and the Decepticon threat was averted. The Transformers never came to Earth. Actually, as I write this I realize this divergence must have been caused when Bludgeon messed with the pretender stuff. I'll have to edit this later.

In the main branch, Shockwave rules Cybertron. In the MC divergence, Shockwave comes looking for Megatron on Earth and is attacked by the Dinobots. This is the Marvel Comics universe, including G2.
Byrerprime said,  - 2008-07-17 00:12:23
Some other realities I don't know enough about to place the exact time they split from the main branch like Robot Masters and Machine Wars. Robots in Disguise I used to have split from the main branch early on Cybertron, but I love the idea of it diverging from the Beast Wars. Even though Universe is continued from the end of Beast Machines, I consider it the divergence with the main branch receiving no story.
Perceptor said,  - 2008-07-17 08:32:01
This is all very simple. HA! Here's my "PC:"

* G1 (cartoon) begins in fictional 1984.
* G1 comics are mostly non-canon until after headmasters.
* G1 events end ~2006.
* Use overly active imagination to squeeze DW & IDW-universes in somehow.
* G2 stories, like IDW & DW, is loosely crammed in after comics' TFTM?

After "Rebirth" one must assume:
* Having won the war, G1 Optimus Prime wants Earth to be isolated from the Autobot/Decepticon wars, so he orders all Transformers to have memory and record of Earth deleted from their memory core (including his own). He is successful in this effort.

* This allow us to sandwich in the events of the Bay live movies - post G1. (I'm still working on this! :) We'll see what transpires in future movies. That is, movie guys are the same characters, they just have no memory of the events of G1. Based on Bay's Megatron origin, we must assume this is a different Megatron than G1. (plus, it's not voiced by Welker, so it's EASY!) Bay OP = G1 OP. Bay Megatron is not G1 Megatron! Done!

* Live movie events from TF1, ROTF, TF3, TF4, 5 & 6 transpire. Allspark is returned to Cybertron. OP retires from active duty, and a few hundred years go by. Ultra Magnus takes over and establishes "Elite Guard." Thus transpire the stories of TFA, w/ a presumably (but not necessarily) different OP character.

* A few 100/1000 years later, Unicron has rebuilds himself, and thus begins the stories of Armada, Energon and Cybertron "AEC".

* A few more 100/1000 years go by, AEC OP & Megatron grow up, survive the "Maximal Upgrade." AEC OP is now retired expoloration vessel (Axalon) captain (fits perfect w/ Cybertron ending). They follow the Darksyde back in time and thus the events of Beast Wars in Earth's pre-history.

* events of IDW's BW comics.

* Maximals return to "their time" Beast Machines happens.
Perceptor said,  - 2008-07-17 08:32:18
See!?! Everthing fits together nice and neatly just PERFECT, without any discrepancies or contradictions! :) Then we can just say that RID, the Botcon "Multiverse" stuff are, as explained, "alternate realities." I haven't watched enought Victory, BW2... and all the japanese stuff enough to try and figure out how it fits into continuity. But I'm sure it does!

Oh I forgot to mention a few other things:

Dreamwave Comics Armada is Canon. The cartoon is not.
TriPredRavage said,  - 2008-07-17 08:56:20
Only one problem, Big P, the Axalon doesn't follow the Nemesis back in time. It follows the Darkside (Darksyde).
Perceptor said,  - 2008-07-17 09:14:04
:) correction made.
You were right tho, that was the *only* problem with my little theory! :)
TriPredRavage said,  - 2008-07-17 10:26:31
Actually, its the only problem with *your* theory. It has a lot of problems with *my* theory.
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-17 11:07:38
Yeah, but but Jumpercliff's theory messes up EVERYONE'S theory. JK

The basis of my PC's G1/Beast Era universe was this:

However, I had to make several changes for it to make sense: No RiD, I gnored the Kiss Players stuff (that series too confusing), had Beast Wars II and Neo take place in the same future as the U.S. Beast Wars (Tens of thousands years later does NOT make sense) and I didn't list every flashback event cuz that would take forever (and the rules say to outline completely and "briefly").
TriPredRavage said,  - 2008-07-17 11:19:43
I didn't mention this in my PC, but I'll bring it up here; I ignore the most recent botcon comics with the exception of the Classic one. This means that The Beast Wars: Dawn of Futures Past and Descent into Evil don't exist as far as I'm concerned. This includes the "Theft of the Golden Disk" video that came out last year as well.
Luketroop said,  - 2008-07-17 11:25:09
My PC is just a bunch of humbo jumbo of G1 coliding with marvel and starwars universes.
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-17 11:31:52
I only include TotGD because it doesn't contradict anything we already knew from the Beast Wars cartoon itself. It just shows us how the theft happened.

And I don't include all of the DotFP in my PC, just some of it, like the fact that Primal's team had to dump Protoform X and then were reassigned to pursue the Pred's ship. I don't like that they made Tigatron and Airazor pre-living bots. If those get lives, why not give the rest of the stasis pod-born bots lives too? Especially Blackarachnia, she showed knowledge of concepts that the others didn't know about, making it sound like she had a previous life as some sort of chronicler or something.

And the only thing I liked about Descent into Evil was the fact that it gave us a U.S. version of Deathsaurus. So I don't consider it canon (especially since Bumblebee was in his cancelled Binaltech body).

TPR, just wondering, but would you consider the BWII catalog fiction would be canon in your PC? It takes place before the Beast Wars cast goes back in time and involved Primal & Lio Convoy shaking hands and Megs and Galvy arguing.
TriPredRavage said,  - 2008-07-17 11:47:21
I actually don't know what the catalog fiction is entirely. I kinda know about it, I think I've seen a scan of it once before, but I don't really know the whole thing. I just believe that Primal and Leo knew each other prior, and I'm sure Megs and Galvy knew each other as well. From the sounds of it, I would accept it, with the exception that I think they already have their beast modes in it. That, obviously, wouldn't work, so I guess if I knew more about it, maybe. And the thousands of years after Beast Machines ain't gonna cut it either... on second thought, maybe not...
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-17 11:55:31
The drawing of their beast forms is juat an artist's error. I'm uessing they didn't know what their Cybertronian forms looked like.

Here's the catalog fiction with all three pages:
Jumpercliff said,  - 2008-07-17 11:56:10
Sabrblade, I DID mention that Jhiaxus was one of the villains, and the other Primes, and Hot Rod and Cheetor. Also, see the above details BEFORE the 2nd Secret Wars. Besides, it's just my personal story and IDEA. Got it? This is a free country. TriPredRavage, thanks, I hope you don't find it confusing! For details on most of the characters mentioned, check Wikipedia.
TriPredRavage said,  - 2008-07-17 12:06:10
Hmm... I don't know Sabr. There are major continuity issues in that with the American fiction, such as Optimus Primal being some huge supreme commander. And clearly, BWII does not take place in 1999, becase, well, it's 2008 now and people are still alive, so I'm going to say, over all, that's a no on if I consider it in continuity. I just think that the Maximal leaders did know one another and I figure the Predacon leaders probably knew about one another as well.
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-17 12:34:25
Your right that it doesn't take place in AD 1999, it takes place in SY 1999 (Space Year 1999), which could be the "300 years later" future of the Beast Era.

And as for Primal being a commander there and an explorer here, I've retconned that with my first Beast Wars movie idea. In a flashback of it, Primal is given the title of Supreme Commander and an Energon Matrix (so he can become Burning Convoy), but he never wanted either of these and rejected both of them. So he wished Lio Convoy good luck as he was the next leader chosen after Primal, but Primal still had both his title and his E. Matrix, and so to get out of being a war bot, he became an exploration captain against orders, but he still couldn't get rid of his title and matrix, which is why he still has both during the BWII movie. Of course, this is just my theory.

And, Jumpercliff, I was just kidding.
Jumpercliff said,  - 2008-07-17 14:06:01
Thanks for the reassurance, Saber.
Black Starscream said,  - 2008-07-17 16:58:35
I'm gonna write mine a little later but its a bit similar to perceptor in that there really don't need to be new universes. But here's a small summery of a summery
For me the only alternate continuitiies would be animated and movie. The unicron trilogy follows g1 and headmasters (and the related lines like RM Binaltech and G2) and is followed up by masterforce and victory. Then come teh beast wars series, adn Beast machines, and a return to G1 so that beast machines never happens. Rid fits as a side story with almost no related characters. More detailed
version soon.
Just a question though Saber. Do you mind if some I use production lines in a ompletely different way than the comics? Cause G2 is kinda important for this because the figures but not the comic play a role here.
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-17 19:40:05
What do you mean by "using production lines in a completely different way than the comics"? I don't really understand that phrase.
TriPredRavage said,  - 2008-07-17 20:15:20
I think he wants to know if he can use the G2 line however he wants instead of how the comics did.
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-17 21:38:45
Well, how about the G2 mini-manga and story pages? They're in the G1 cartoon's timeline, they just take place in the far future, but before the 300 year gap that comes before Beast Wars.
Black Starscream said,  - 2008-07-18 13:42:51
Alright then. Since I haven't read a lot of the comics and I still haven't seen some of the eps, this might have a lot of loose ends, but here goes...from the very beginning.
The main universe is pretty much the G1 era and consists of everything (other than go-bots) predating the new movie. (Note that in my PC there are a lot of details I made to make everything fit together)

First up is Primus vs. Unicron and The origins of Cybertron. Assuming that Liege Maximo was one of the first 13 transformers, I assume that after killing Primon, Prima became the first "real transformer" to take the matrix. Primus did not completely go into dormancy just yet as he still required to create more Transformers and grant them sparks. Liege Maximo began recruiting some of these new transformers though no one was aware of his location or where he did it. When Maximo's new forces bean attacking newly formed cities, Prima recognized the threat. As this progressed the two would respectively found the Cybertron and Destron armies, and begin the first Great War. Maximo would become the first emperor of destruction and Prima would maybe be the first convoy.
Black Starscream said,  - 2008-07-18 13:44:19
At some point after the war Primus would find the threat of Unicron becoming more and more imminent would now fall into full dormancy. But because he still to create transformers with sparks, he needed someone to take over the job. Thus he created the Quintessans, who would physically build new robotic bodies and embody them with sparks from primus, who would lock his own spark into a state of dormancy in the form of Vector Sigma. He would entrust a key to young A3 in case something happened. A second great war would erupt (I would like to think of Jahixus as the new Destron leader). Eventually super energon would be discovered and escalate the war. In the final battle though, four combiners fight over a reservoir and reach a stalemate. Deciding that this power should not fall into the wrong hands they agree to become its guardians and seal themselves in the temple (their names of course are Supirion, Builderon/constructicon maximus, and Bruticus+the unnamed one). Jhaixus and the prime of that time (Nova Prime maybe?) agree on a truce and thus they join together for the better of planet Cybertron.
Black Starscream said,  - 2008-07-18 13:45:10
The descendant Quintessans begin to feel more and more that the planet is theirs. Many forget that it was Primus who had assigned them a task for the planet. Thus they begin a plot to take over. They continue building robot bodies but do not infuse them with sparks, thus making an army of lifeless shells including equipment and maintenance bots, military hardware bots, and guardian robots based on the legendary guardians Omega Supreme and Omega Sentinel. Some of the Quintessans don't agree so they secretly choose to collect a handful of "living" transformers and escape Cybertron so as to start new life on other planets with no wars or injustice. One of these planets becomes known as Planet Q. Meanwhile back on Cybertron, the Quintessans begin rounding up the "living" Cybertronians and make them into slaves. Because a majority are Cybertrons (Autobots) the descendants begin to see this as the mark of the slaves (as this is also a long term thing).
Eventually however, many begin rebellions. Initially they don't fare that well but they manage to survive and inflict minimal damage, particularly during the rebellion led by A3. Eventually underground Destron forces back the slaves up and together they drive the Quintessans off. A new Golden Age sweeps through Planet Cybertron, with a new government and everything, eventually leading up to the events described in...
Megatron, Origins:
Black Starscream said,  - 2008-07-18 13:47:10
Living in a Cybertron (faction) dominated society, we follow the stages of Megatron's rise. At this point the transformers half to replicate on their own (in case you're wondering how they manage without the quints). As a little side detail, in the dark history of Cybertron that young Megatron discovers, he finds record of the first two great wars and the Destron faction. At one point Megatron incorporates a migrant named Soundwave from a faraway planet called Planet X. After the end of the events in the comic, Megatron continues recruiting new troops for his "New Destron Army". From the Cybertronian underground, he manages to recruit many veteran Destrons from the days of the first two great wars, many of whom see him as the perfect image of the next Emperor of Destruction. At first, he limits these to simple uprisings and revolts, so as not to alert the populace to his ambition of a hostile takeover of the planet, but still gaining popularity. Because he feels he is "deceiving the 'great mind' that is planet Cybertron's leadership" he begins to refer to his New Destron Army as his Decepticon army, a term later applied to all Destrons in the past as well. Megatron at one point finds a special sword, which was a relic of previous Destron leaders and would become the sword included with every Japanese version of his figure, and later the sword of Megatron featured in Energon)
At one point Megatron meets a young bot named Orion Pax, and thus we have the events that occur in the original episode War Dawn (though modified so as to not involve the airialbots, and instead have his younger twin Ultra Magnus being the one to save him and Arial.)
Black Starscream said,  - 2008-07-18 13:48:10
After Alpha Trion reformats Orian into Optimus Prime and passes the Matrix to him, Prime becomes the new Convoy and starts to recruit his own forces. Because the planet's leadership has fallen one way or another, Primes forces agree to make him the new Supreme Cybertron Commander, the new Convoy. Thus Optimus calls the new Cybertron faction army, the Autobot army, and thus Cybertronians would apply the name in a manner akin to the Decepticons (my way of mending the naming bridge between US and JP).
After this are the events of War Within. At some point afterward the characters Megatron, Optimus, Ratchet, and Starscream gain the forms portrayed in the first two episodes of Armada (their new cybertronian forms). Starscream probably spends the time after War Within becoming a very experienced and somewhat legendary swordsmen, under the guidance of Thundercracker (like the armada comic techspech implies). For Megatron, he decides to dawn a new helmet+antlers to truly show himself as emperor of Destruction, and not just a leader of an rebel faction. It’s also in this interim between G1 and War Within that the events involving the Mini-cons occurs. Right before boarding the Nemesis to chase after the Ark, I like to think he switches to his original helmet as a sign of great conquest (since he is chasing after Prime and most likely planning his destruction at that moment more than ever). This pretty much finishes the prehistory, though I'm sure somewhere in there at one point would be the event where Omega Supreme, Omega Sentinel, and the other three Energon Guards defeat Unicron.
Black Starscream said,  - 2008-07-18 14:00:37
After that come the events in G1 seasons 1+2 along with the events in the IDW Generation 1 comics and the mangas, but without all of humanity knowing that Transformers exist.
Then comes the movies, season three, and Headmasters.
After headmasters and maybe battlestars, the events of Robot masters can occur, since Prime would be alive again (and back in his g1 form) and Starscream had already been revived in season 3. After this more battles occur. Here I would probably place all of the G2 figures that are recolors/remoulds as well as Megatron.
After a series of events some of the main characters go back to their preearthern forms. Megatron's left arm gets busted up by prime and so its slightly repaired with a retractible knife installed.
Next come the events of Armada, with Unicron's revival being the result of (shortterm) starscreams actions in G1 season 3 and (longterm) Unicron's collection of power from the Great Wars (assuming his head from season 3 G1 disappeared into one of the moons which held the rest of his new body). I like to think of Megatron, Optimus, Starscream, and Thrust as their former selves with Red Alert and Smokescreen being Ratchet and Grapple (like their Japan names imply).At not too distant point after the end of Armada Prime awaken's Primus's spark by opening the matrix.
Directly after are Energon and Cybertron.
Black Starscream said,  - 2008-07-18 14:16:11
During or sometime beforethe Unicron trilogy, the Predacons begin to be born out of a combination of Predacon's expirements and the Predaking combiner bots actions. In an eventual collaboration an early but rough Predacon faction is born and as a side story, the minor events of RID occur. I think of Fire Convoy and Gigatron as high ranked but not the highest ranked commanders of their respective factions.
Sometime after Cybertron would probably be the G2 minimanga (though I can't really fit it in.)
Then follow Masterforce and Victory.
After that a large majority of the Autobots and Decepticons reformat into Maximals and Predacons, and thus Beast Wars occurs. Sometime after the uprisings of the Predacons, the Predacon leader Galvatron takes over as the new Destron emperor of destruction and begins a new battle.
Thus come Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo, in which the Maximals and Predacons begin to engage in open warfare.
Afterward is Beast Machines BUT...
The reason cybertron developed an organic core was so that in the instance that another being managed to gain technological control of Cybertron, the early Quintessans installed a self activating virus in vector sigma that would corrupt it and begin a process of countering the technological takeover. At the end, when Cybertron became half organic and the threat of Megatron's technological takeover was quelled, the characters are warped back to the time they originally came. Some characters revived in transmetal bodies such as Dinobot, Airazor, Terr,asaur and Rhinox. Megatron and Primal would gain their 10th aniversary bodies. In the new battle the beast wars were prevented from happening and thus Beast Machines was erased from the timeline.
After that comes Universe with a whole new plot line.
The only other continuiteis then would be Movie, Animated, and Go bots.
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-18 17:37:26
I notcied you omitted some series like Zone, Operation Combination, Binaltech, Kiss Players, Micromaster collection, Beast Reborn, and even the U.S. Beast Wars itself.

Also, RobotMasters is set in 2004-2005, just to let you know.
Black Starscream said,  - 2008-07-18 18:38:46
I sort of ignored the years on some of them. Zone would come after Victory but since it pretty much got cancelled I wasn't sure if I should count it. Beast Wars I mentioned comes after Masterforce and Victory (and Zone) with the JBW occuring later (since in US BW the plans for rebellions were still on a low profile). Kiss players is said to occur between Tf season 2 and the movie. Operation Combination and Micromaster collection would have to come after Zone (though in what order i'm not sure). I don't know if binaltech has a distint story line and I don't know enough about BW Reborn, but I would put it after Cybertron.
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-18 19:16:00
Actually, Micromaster collection takes place years before the Autobots and Decepticons awaken on Earth in the G1 cartoon.
Beast Wars Reborn ignores Universe (I think) and comes after Beast Machines, but it takes place Cybertron's (Galaxy Force's) distant past, since, in that story, Primal and Megs perform the first Cyber Key ignition on Jungle Planet. Here's the first chapter (out of four) translated:

While Zone's cartoon was cancelled, it's story wasn't. Zone continued in the form of story pages, like Return of convoy and Op. Combination did.

And Binaltech did a have a story. It takes place after G1 season 2, but splits apart from the main timeline into its own timeline.
bludgeon589 said,  - 2008-07-19 17:31:58
G1 and animated are same continuity, Optimus and Bumblebee are ressurected primal and cheetor
KilledbyDeath said,  - 2008-07-20 05:20:29
A few of my own suggestions. We seem to except the fact that there are multiple Transformers' Universes. I don't exactly like the Japanese g1 continuity as I think they went and ruined things, however I never even followed it, this is based on word of mouth. I am interested in it lately so I think I am going to approach it as a different universe than the American g1 universe. Maybe then I can accept it.
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-20 07:34:02
How did they ruin things? IMO, their version of Cerebros (Fortress) was a lot better than our "shut me down, I don't want to fight" version.
TriPredRavage said,  - 2008-07-20 08:25:03
Oh c'mon, Sabr, everyone loves a pacifist...
...actually, pacifists really tick me off as they usually have no concept of what's really going on in the world around him.
Perceptor said,  - 2008-07-20 09:14:53
my comments on others "PC"
>> Sabrblade, you have desire to fit Kiss Players into continuity??? Holy cow! And people think I'm bad trying to fit everything in!

>> What makes everyone so sure that Animated is "its own" continuity? It's set in the future, when the Great War has been won (so well after G1). It even feels to me like some characters such as Ultra Magnus, Omega Supreme, Blurr, Jazz are the exact same as their G1 selves. Maybe even Ratchet, Starscream. I also like to think Grimlock and the Dinobots could have fallen and were reborn through the Allspark. Starscream and Blitzwing may or may not be the same personas...

>> I really need to find a way to see/watch BW2, BWNeo shows. I too might be willing to throw out the IDW from continuity. Generally speaking when there are two stories of the same generation told between cartoon and comics I absorb the better of the 2 into my 'fanon.' Usually the better series is the cartoon. An exception is Armada, where the comic was vastly better and the cartoon I could only just barely stand to watch.

>> Binaltech story takes place in TF:Animated continuity???? where can I see/read it?

>>-Daniel is Spike's younger brother (and his son is Rad from Armada, and his nephews being Coby and Bud).
I think that Daniel is Sam Witwicky's (Bay movie) grandpa. And Rad is Sam and Mikkela's Great, Great grandson! HA!
TriPredRavage said,  - 2008-07-20 09:28:26
We know that TFA is its own because the creators have stated it. That's how, and most of us aren't willing to do this 'reborn here, reborn there, this is the same guy, this is some one new thing' that you do with it. Guess we're just not as dedicated to the cause, lol. In my case, I just follow the continuity established with the exception of RiD. I still think RiD is a divergent timeline established after the events of Beast Wars.

And how can Daniel be Sam's Grandfather when we know that Sam's great grandfather's name was Archibald, not Spike. And where is Buster Witwicky during all of this?
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-20 12:02:18
He's in the G1 Marvel Comics continuity, which is set in a different universe from that of the G1 cartoon.

And as for Butch Witwicky (yes he existed, sort of), he's in the universe that consists of early TF ideas that were dropped.

Perceptor, which of us said that BT is in TF:A's continuity? I must've missed that one.
veeble fetzer said,  - 2008-07-20 12:14:58
wait a minute, wasn't Daniel Spike & Carly's kid, Perceptor, or am I too ignorant and haven't read everything yet?
action master said,  - 2008-07-20 12:40:23
i agree with megatron g1
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-20 13:25:08
veeble fetzer, Perceptor didn't say that, Jumpercliff did. Perceptor was just repeating what Jumpercliff wrote.
Black Starscream said,  - 2008-07-20 16:39:49
Oh yea, how come you didn't like Armada Perceptor?
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-20 20:34:51
He liked the DW comics better than the anime.

I'm guessing why he didn't lke the anime was that it started off kinda bad. It was kinda kiddie in the beginning, and the Mini-Con hunt was too similar to Pokemon's "Gotta Catch'em All" theme at the time. And this format stayed wiht the show for the longest time. It wasn't until two-thirds of the show that we got any real plot change what with the destruction of Prime and the sudden threat of Unicron (but this is just my guess, I may be right or I may be wrong).
Autobutt said,  - 2008-07-20 20:47:52
Wow... im gone for a week on vacation and i have 3 news topics with tons of writing to read... ill be busy for awhile i guess!
Black Starscream said,  - 2008-07-21 12:17:27
I thought they started to slowly deviate from the gotta catch em all theme by the time starting at the Decepticons invasion of the Bots' base. From there they they really only have the three weapons teams, and by hotshots past the events really get put into to motion right?
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-21 13:03:22
I think it was when Starscream joined the Autobots that they started to deviate from the "collect them all" theme of the show.

But it was after Starscream betrayed the Autobots and went back to the Decepticons that the "Capture the Mini-Cons" hunt ended.
ultra magnus said,  - 2008-07-21 13:05:32
Overall I think that unverse is seperate and connected to all transformer series because of the fact that it has many different characters across the transformer multi universe.
ultra magnus said,  - 2008-07-21 13:16:57
I was thinking about a "What if" storie for armada that galvatron didn't sacrifice him self to stop unicron that prime and galvatron kept up the fight and unicrons defence system reactivated and everyone was killed, and unicron destroyed cybertron and continued his rampage and in time with no one being able to stop him soon destroys the universe.
TriPredRavage said,  - 2008-07-21 16:06:40
This is the thing I don't get. Who deletes 80-something comments just for the heck of it? Who has that kind of meaningless time that they just decide to throw away? Why not plant a tree, or get a girlfriend? You know, things this person has obviously never done his life before.
Luketroop said,  - 2008-07-21 16:12:26
What do you mean the comments are all gone they are hear right now, but that is strange and stupid.
TriPredRavage said,  - 2008-07-21 16:13:52
Someone went through and deleted them all, I went back and restored them. Then 'ultra magnus' apparently went nuts and deleted more comments from other topics. I'm restoring them as I go.
Autobutt said,  - 2008-07-21 19:14:00
it was ultra magnus??? wow well thanks TPR for restoring the comments.

basically my PC is that the War Within comics, G1, and the BW/BM cartoons are all in the same universe. RiD and the "Unicron Trilogy" are all their own universes, and im going to have to wait until Animated is completely done to decide whether or not it is part of the G1 universe. If it is, then it takes place way in the future, after the "Great Wars" just like how they state it. OP's time is long gone, so long that Ultra Magnus finally decided to take leadership. Megatron was never Galvatron, but Unicron actually just used Meg's body as some sort of host to recreate Galvatron, so the TFA Megs could either be Megatron himself or a newer bot, Megatron's successor. The "Autoboot Camp" where bots are named is the new process that starts off young bots, and they occur for whatever the young bot decides to do for the rest of their cycles. Ratchet , Blurr, Omega Supreme, Magnus, and Shockwave are all the same as their G1 selves, the other ones may or may not be.
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-22 15:43:13
"Recreate Galvatron"? Are you saying Galvatron was alive before Unicron made him?
Black Starscream said,  - 2008-07-22 21:10:42
I think he means Megatron and Galvatron are separate entities, and that Megatron's body was reformatted into a lifeless shell to be filled with a spark (akin to guiltar) while the old Megatron either died eventually with a new successor or survived for a reincarnation and became TFA megs. right???
Autobutt said,  - 2008-07-22 22:04:55
Black Starscreams right, except that Megatron may or may not have died but like i said ill have to wait until Animated is over to decide on that.
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-23 10:40:13
Don't forget the comics. They've got info on the series too, as they are part of the show continuity.
action master said,  - 2008-07-23 18:12:02
g1,armada and animated were my favorite tv shows
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-23 20:30:31
This isn't "what your favorite TF series are," action master. Read the top again.
Black Starscream said,  - 2008-07-24 23:19:41
Although what is your favorite TF and Why would be a really good topic. You ought to post it Sabr
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-24 23:52:40
Maybe, but that might not be as discussive as one would expect, cuz many could just come out and say, "I like (name) and (name) the best because I think they're the coolest," and not reply again.
ultra magnus said,  - 2008-07-25 12:12:51
It was not me and sabrblade ask ilovetransformers he knows I didn't do it I mean why would anybody delete comments even some of my comments were deleted and I have better things to do than delete comments.
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-25 13:46:47
What're you talkning about, ultra magnus? I didn't accues you of anything.

Also, 100th comment of the is topic. w00t!
ultra magnus said,  - 2008-07-26 10:08:11
I know but you can explain to all they other members.
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-07-26 13:09:47
When were they even deleted? I never knew they were deleted until I saw this comment:
TriPredRavage said,  - 2008-07-26 16:14:23
Somebody using the name Ultra Magnus was going around deleting all of the comments. I spent the better part of an afternoon restoring them all in this topic and my recent topics. I guess when I said that comment that you mentioned there, Sabr, I must have really gotten under their skin if they felt it necessary to target my topics. Oh well, some people just can't handle the truth, lol.
Sabrblade. said,  - 2008-07-26 17:19:18
Well, I must've missed the whole thing. Cuz every time I came to this topic, all the comments were present. Not a single one was missing (except for a few unnecessary ones that I got rid of).
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