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War Within Grimlock

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Perceptor at 2008-11-08 11:56 am   (site update)

Stories of the early years of civil war on Cybertron were told in The War Within by Dreamwave comics.  Among the most prominent personas was he who will will go on to lead the Dinobots in G1, make appearances in Beast Wars, Energon & be resurrected in Animated...  Check out the all new character page for War Within Grimlock now linked to in the 2008 Transformers Section.  Have a great weekend everybody!

Bass X0 said,  - 2008-11-08 12:43:30
Animated Grimlock is a seperate unrelated individual with no physical connection to G1 Grimlock. He was never on Cybertron and was not built by Wheeljack.
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-11-08 15:12:21
He's right. Animated Grimlock was built on earth.

Plus, how do you figure that RiD Grimlock is him too? He's absolutely nothing like any other Grimlock. Just because some characters share names doesn't make them the same individual.
Master Dex said,  - 2008-11-08 15:13:00
I'm not going to bother with debating alternate universes and continuities. I know what I believe and I know Perceptor's ambition to link everything together. I'll leave it at that.
Perceptor said,  - 2008-11-08 15:27:40
Indeed, each and every one of us are welcome to see things as we see fit (myself included.)
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-11-08 15:48:02
Okay, well let me ask this. If Car Robots was never dubbed in English and never brought over to the U.S., would you still consider some of those characters (like Grimlock/Build Hurricane) to be the same as those G1 characters that they currently share names with?
Perceptor said,  - 2008-11-08 16:48:48
In my "fanon" I don't see any RID characters as being part of the rest. In my fanon, there are alternate realities. Shattered Glass and RID are among them.

Maybe it's just because I dig Grimlock as a persona so much. Maybe it's because TFA Grimlock's mannerisms are SO closely similar to the way he was personified in G1... I just like to think that G1 Grimlock and the Dinobots bit the dust, their sparks joined the Allspark. (In an untold story after the ending of G1. Then in its infinite wisdom, the Allspark chose to resurrect their sparks in the robot dino modes on Earth, as seen in "Blast from the Past." SARI's key is Allspark Energy.

If you like the theory, great. If you don't, hey, I won't hold it against ya.
TriPredRavage said,  - 2008-11-08 18:17:39
...still say RiD is just G1 post Beast Wars...
Master Dex said,  - 2008-11-08 19:37:37
By M theory, there are infinite parallel universes and any 2 can be nearly identical with the exception of the most minor difference. For example there could be a universe where you had pancakes for breakfast instead of eggs and that is all that is different. Because I subscribe to M theory (which is a derivative of String Theory) I choose to accept all the different TF franchises as alternate universes (of course though I put BW into G1 since it is designed as such).
Jumpercliff said,  - 2008-11-08 19:47:06
Forget Me my case, ME WANT GRIMLOCK!
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-11-08 20:07:13
Question regarding Titanium Grimlock and Prowl. Since the two of them are TRU exclusives, are these two very limited in their release, or are they sold in normal amounts like the other non-exclusive TFs?
Loganprime said,  - 2008-11-09 05:16:28
Hey, Perceptor,you forgot one. The late, great G2
Perceptor said,  - 2008-11-09 08:30:43
You are so right. I'll make the correction w/ my next update.
Luketroop said,  - 2008-11-09 08:54:49
Hey Perceptor, would you really recommend this figure? Which Titanium was better Prowl or Grimlock War Within?
Bellprime said,  - 2008-11-09 11:12:13
Most Every Optimus Prime is related somehow. For instance, all share the same heroic traits. "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" is Optimus's motto. All Optimus Primes share this same ideal for the most part. It may be worded different for some of the generations but, The meaning is the same. Freedom from Megatron's tyranny is one example. Most every Optimus Prime's main goal is to fight & defeat Megatron.
Sidewinder said,  - 2008-11-09 17:39:20
Well, when you step back and look at the parallel universe theory, it is possible that these universes bleed into each other or otherwise over lap. It is quite possible that once Grimlock ceased to be in one universe, his spark somehow made the jump into another universe and so on. As far as connecting War Within Grimlock and the Dynobots to the G1 cartoon, there is nothing to say that their sparks were not stored on the Ark and when Wheeljack and co. built the new Dinobots, that Teletran 1 didn't just upload the basic components of their personalities. Given the origin of the Combatacons, we know that sparks can be severed from the body and stored as data files to be later uploaded into other forms. The Combatacons were supposed to be cybertronian criminals held in containment so it stands to reason their sparks would be intact with their memories and the finer nuances of their personalities where as if the Dynobots were destroyed in battle, their sparks could have been fractured and incomplete due to trauma, explaining their basic intellegence and third person speech patterns.
Perceptor said,  - 2008-11-09 19:41:20
Tough call Luketroop, I really like them both. Primarily because I'm a big fan of the War Within series... Plus I just thing Titanium is such a good fit, for this series. Simple transformations, metal parts, smaller size... it all lends itself to War Within characters. They're definitely not the best transformers toys ever, but as a means to represent it, I think they're great.

That said, if I was to get only one... hmmmmm, I guess I'd go with Grimlock. He's just so comic accurate... and such an important personality to the series as a whole... Yeah, that's what I'd go with.

Very well spoken Sidewinder
TPR on Girlfriend's CPU said,  - 2008-11-09 22:25:41
I can put in my 2 cents on this one Luketroop. I just picked the two up myself. Prowl has a more complex transformation (Grimlock's transformation is honestly just short of him lying down on his stomache), but Prowl's figure is far less comic accurate, which you can see in the pics on WW Prowl's page. So, I guess it all comes down to which you prefer; show/comic accuracy, or interesting transformation.
Perceptor said,  - 2008-11-10 08:03:07
Yeah, well the transformation on all titanium toys is pretty, um not great. Again, War Within is the story of G1+ characters a long time ago. It makes sense that the transformation is likewise not high tech or complex.
Human Error said,  - 2008-11-10 11:25:49
I had the chance to pick this guy up on Saturday but i had to leave him at the register. Sorry Toys R Us but that $20 price point just doesnt seem worth it to me.
Luketroop said,  - 2008-11-10 14:11:34
He seems quite expensive for a Titanium. Toys R Us has been rasing the prices on things. Last time I checked i had to pay a couple bucks extra for a deluxe figure when i could have went to Wal Mart and gotten it for 8 bucks. Then there is target which is ten dollars.
Sidewinder said,  - 2008-11-10 14:35:16
Yeah, I know what ya'll are talking about. Its kind of hit or miss when it comes to finding new figures. You could scour Wal-Mart, K-Mart, and Target and not find who you want until you get to Toys R Us. Do shell out the cash for the figure there, or do you hedge your bets and keep looking? I've shelled out the extra cash for figures I could only find at Toys R Us and the next time I hit the circuit find that same figure everywhere at much cheaper prices.
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-11-10 14:52:15
Yeah, I hate how TRU, KB Toys, and Once Upon a Toy at Disney always rack up the prices on their products. Deluxes are changed from $8-$10 to ~$15, Voyagers are changed from $20 to $25-$30, and Leaders are changed from $40 to $45-$50. It's very irritating when you don't have a lot of money to spend, and you can only find the figure(s) you're looking for at those places.
Perceptor said,  - 2008-11-10 14:59:29
The vast majority of KB toys stores went "Out of Business." Why? Because people were very concerned about the extra $1+ they may have to pay to buy a toy... Do people think it's a good thing they no longer exist? or would you rather occassionally pay the extra buck or two and support the store's existence?
Sabrblade said,  - 2008-11-10 16:21:24
I don't shop at KB Toys anymore. They never had any of the exclusives that I wanted (mostly the late RiD exclusives), and their prices were steeper than those of Wal-Mart and Target.

The only thing KB is good for now is keeping older figures that soon become hard to find eslewhere in stock. To this day, my KB has the Universe (2003-2007) repackaged Energon deluxes and Cybertron basics, none of which do I want.

So, do I support KB toys? Not much, but there's still a part of me that does. But I'll take Wal-Mart's $7.77 prices over KB's $10.99 anyday (or at least until the economy gets fixed). Money's kinda tight at the moment.
Perceptor said,  - 2008-11-10 16:21:26
Here's my opinion on this topic.

I don't care about the extra couple of bucks a toy might be at TRU vs. some others. If every collector buys ONLY from the store with the lowest price, then what will eventually happen is stores like TRU will go out of business, like KB and other retail chains. Then we'll all be forced to buy from Walmart. YUCK.

For me I want to show my financial support to non-Walmart stores like Bigbadtoystore, TRU and others...
Sidewinder said,  - 2008-11-10 16:58:40
Truth be told, after the KB stores went out of business in Corpus Christi, TX years back, the only place to find them was at the outlet malls in San Marcos about three and a half hours away. That said, when I lived in Corpus, I didn't hit up a KB that often. I can't even find one locally in Bellingham, WA. I usually end up at Wal-Mart (Sorry Perceptor) because they are local, have decent prices, and my buddy who works in the toy section gives me a heads up when they get new stuff in.
KilledbyDeath said,  - 2008-11-10 22:11:43
Major toy stores are not as overpriced as some online retailers. Store to store the difference is usually about $5. Online stores can vary from $10 to more than $30, and don't get me started on some of the crazy "by it now prices" on Ebay. I would rather buy things in a store than online if I have the choice.
Luketroop said,  - 2008-11-11 10:11:05
I just like buying stuff from the collecters store called Toy Vault because the new toys are regular priced and the old ones are a decent priced and in decent shape.
KilledbyDeath said,  - 2008-11-11 21:08:09
Toy Vault I'll have to check that out.
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