thanks for poasting this up sab u r a legend

although it seems shuehorned into the exidus and wfc, i love it just as i loved the novel and the game.

yes it seems as though screamer and megs haven't used dark energon before but in exidus, starscream kept putting the use of it off and megatron would not allow him to try it.
megatron on the other hand did use it but never directly inputted it in to his spark chamber.
although it is my own personal retcon i like to think that the talk megs and screamer had was in reference to a stronger deposit of dark energon that megs whent off to clect and that is why he was gone for that time.
during that time i like to believe that screamer never managed to get his greecy servos on any of the substance and therefore didn't know its full effects.
after all, it was shockwave who aukistrated the dark energon tests in the novel whilst starscream guarded it.

yes there are lots of issues with retconing prime and with my fannon also especially as i haven't read the prime graphic novel as of yet but open mindedness is a good thing :p

the ground bridge seems to be an omage to the globle space bridge of rid with fouler seeming to be a luse omage to galaway from the movie universe.
the recking ball reference was a pritty good reference to animated as well as the raf understanding bumblebee to the kids from armarda.

megatron is almost like a hybrid of his g1 self and his animated counterpart vocally and i have to say if i was a kid i bet that voice would chill me to the bone.
starscream reminds me of his movie counterpart vocally and so far, i would say that he is quite a sleeze bag the true silver snake.

i have changed my oppinion of arcee also. originally thaut she was a little butch but now there is almost a tuff girl sexi femininity about her if one can say such things in reference to transformers lol

ratchet was sort of unexpected for me. i thaut he would be mor lke his animated counterpart but he doesn't seem to have much charicter as of yet.
bulkhead on the other hand i like. he comes across as the kind of bot who doesn't want to be there but will follow his orders to the letter untill another option comes up.
prime what can i say he's prime his charicter doesn't change much at all but i am sure that after time he may show something different.
bumblebee i don't have an oppinion of as of yet but if they have been on earth 3 years why haven't they fixed his vocaliser?

now soundwave. i do hope that was a recording of arcee because if that's his true voice i am dissopointed.

the soundtrack was steller and quite an epic sound and the animation blew me away.
truely hasbro have gon all out with this latest iteration of the transformers

Just out of curiosity, have you played or experienced the WFC game yet? If not, these playlists have the entire game for viewing on YouTube, and I HIGHLY recommend taking the time to view them all:
* Decepticon campaign - http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=2351582108DEF0C0
* Autobot campaign - http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=20133CFF02D60877
(Note: skip the first video in the 'Bot playlist, as it spoils the game's ending)

Or, an alternative view of the game's story can be seen here - http://www.mahalo.com/transformers-war-for-cybertron-walkthrough

I ask you to view the game (if you haven't already) because I wish to refer to it as well as Exodus when discussing the Prime cartoon.

i have experianced the wfc game yes. but as you have stated previously it or exidus does not fit with prime exactly so i take bits from ither to sute my own needs at this point untill hasbro tell me otherwise lol.

yes in wfc they do use dark energon a lot but to the best of my memory megatron doesn't input dark energon directly in to his spark chamber but i would have to watch the cut seens once mor to be sure.

please feel free to prove me rong though and feel free to continue with what you were going to say

i am curious as to what you think will happen with cj. after all as we have seen dark energon aka the blood of unicron aka the anty spark apears to simply reanimate the dead. do you think it is possible that he will be revived at all and that the living dead is simply the intermediate stage in wich his spark returns from the void? or perhaps ratchet finds a way of stabalising the evil nature of the dark energon and revives cj.

personally i hope for the dark energon to be an intermediate stage rather than the allspark key idea as i don't like that idea from animated.

I honestly don't have any idea of how they could bring back Cliffjumper, since they went so far to kill him once, kill him again, and them leave him to die in that explosion. Not to mention that big actors like The Rock usually only voice guest characters, as they're more expensive than the main cast members. I'd be very surprised (yet still very pleased) if they ever do manage to resurrect Cliffjumper.

Though, looking back at the book and game, I noticed that the book called Dark Energon the "Spark of Unicron", whereas the show called it the "Blood of Unicron". Maybe there's different variations of the stuff, with the "spark" being the addictive power up in the game/book, and the "blood" being the rarer substance that turns the dead into undead.

Not to mention that the game/book illustrated Dark Energon to emanate from one's body in a ghastly, energized aura form. While the show had it emanate as a liquid goo instead. This kinda works with what I've said above, as sparks are energizing in appearance, and blood is a liquid.

Or, maybe I'm just overthinking this and it's just a discrepancy. :P

true i agree but perhaps the two different substances are meaningful.
perhaps the blood of unicron can only effect an evil spark in a good way where as the effect of the spark can power the transformers up and create the adiction.
that could be what starscream means when he says that the dark energon has never been tested in such a manner.
although i still maintain that the dark energon reminds me a lot of anglemois.
perhaps the spark of unicron is proper dark energon where as the blood of unicron is the stronger anglmois variation.

true cj's voice was high class but then again it was stated that he was a member of prime's core team.
that would imply that optimus prime's team directly consists of himself, arcee, bumblebee, ratchet, bulkhead meaning the core team would only be 4 transformers when it is usual for the main team to consist of a core team of 5 or mor.
then again it might simply be a way of creating a better carictor layout with mor indepth caricterisation for each member.
i say a team of 4 as ratchet so far doesn't seem to go on that menny field missions but it is still early days and i am very probibly incorect.

i'm sure we will findout next wednesday, thursday and friday :p

Optimus and Megatron are unbeatable. Cliffjumper was pretty cool but Starscream needs his signature voice. It's a good show but not as cool as G1/G2 or animated.

i think starscream's voice was grate.
it was unexpected but verry modernised. we get the suttle malis and contempt from his voice actor rather than the g1 screach.
i think the intention was so that the name served as the classic screamer but he was made out to be mor calm and calculating just as megatron's voice was updated to better sute the times.
true the g1 voice was good but in a cgi show that voice doesn't work as well as in an animated show. this modernised voice better reflects the nature of megatron being the overlord of decepticons

And that is the power of Blum. :D He can make even a dictionary or a phonebook sound epic. XD

Your right that Angolmois and Dark Energon are similar, but Angolmois is closer to the Dark Energon of the games and book than that of the show. Not to mention that Angolmois is Unicron's lifeforce, which is a term that would closer to "spark" than "blood".

Plus, Angolmois is different in appearance. and since this is a different reality apparently set outside of the Multi-Verse of Eternity, certain rules of the past may no longer apply for Prime and Angolmois may not even exist anymore (within the new modern continuity, that is).

As for Cliffjumper, refresh my memory of where and when it was stated that he would be a main cast member (I honestly can't remember, so I must have forgotten). Even though he was offed in episode 1, he was still part of Optimus' core team for that time being.

Also, I hope this show gets a theme song of some kind. It needs one badly. I'd even take a condensed version of Stan Bush's "'Till All Are One". Actually, that would be an awesome idea.

i will put my hands over my ears and refuze to believe that this is outside of the alternities reach and i refuze to believe that big convoy and any of the japanese ideas don't exist.

true anglmois resembles the dark energon from the game mor however i wwill happily live in my own world as far as the lack of a universal streem exists.

i like to believe that the prime continuity can be found by something akin to the way u aproach the shatered glass universe.

... or better yet i have found a use for the unicron singularity!]
i choose to believe that prime is the other side of the unicron singularity. that works for me in regards to the dark energon and the singularity being unicrons dark energon sun with posotively and negatively charged energon.

this outside of the universal streems is unexeptable to me dam you hasbro. hopefully takara will make it all better lol

I mean that Dark Energon might be Prime's answer to Angolmois. That it has Dark Energon instead of Angolmois.

i can just about live with that lol

but i still dislike the idea of prime being outside the universal streems.

now if you recall the exidus novel, it stated that planets such as anamatron and valositron exist in prime continuity.
perhaps we will finally get an english name for big convoy over hear if he makes a cameo or what ever in prime if they visit the planet after all, prime is going to go on for 7 years at least.

off subject i have an idea of big convoys american name in my fannen what do you think of neo prime?

sounds quite cool in my humble oppinion lol

Actually, Exodus only ever spoke of Velocitron and Gigantion. Jungle/Beast Planet was conspicuously left out. As such, its existence in the new modern canon remains to be seen.

Though, what's Big Convoy to do with that planet? He was from Cybertron and went to Gaea (future Earth).

And yeah, I don't like the disregard of all pre-established multiversal concepts either. But then again, Hasbro hasn't been quite clear on what they mean by this, so there's still a chance that they haven't destroyed all preexisting realities yet.

i forgot about gigantion and naturally anamatros came to mind lol

true big convoy came from cybertron and whent to the future earth aka gaia

it was meer speculation and hopeful wishing that big convoy will find himself in english fiction apart from the comics.
spouting my ideas is all lol

I'll have to get back to you guys on the discussion on Dark Energon (havn't played WFC yet, as I don't have a system to support it :-(), but my reations for the first 2 episodes:
Killing off CLiffjumper was an interesting move, and I think probably and advantageous one. By killing off what could be considered a "main" character (although obviously, Dwayne Johnson was only a guest voice), we get the sense that anyone could go. Perminantly.
We seem to have a bunch of either Decepticon clones, or maybe mindless drones? But again, I think this is good, since we can now have the Autobots bash them without killing off major bad guys. Not to mention, they don't seem to be wimps either.
We do have some more human kids. They seem unavoidable in almost any form of Transformers I can think of. Hopefully things work out with them.
The show seems to be taking some stuff from the Bayformer films, especially when it comes to character designs. Not too bad, but I do hate Starscreems bot mode. And I don't care for his voice either.
And they seem to be changing Bumblebee's character, although they did that for the movies too. He's more of a warrior than a scout now, Arcee seems to have taken some of that role, although in less of a naive, wide eyed youngster kind of way.
Is it just me, or does Soundwave not talk? If so, that's a complaint. They've got Frank Welker doing Megatrons' voice, they could have him do Soundwaves' too.

While I can't say I care for Starscreams' voice and especially robot mode, I can appreciate his personality. One of my complaints about the G1 cartoon is that Starscream was incompetent, and it was no secret he wanted to wrestle the Decepticon leadership from Megatron. And that made both Starscream and Megatron look like morons. Starscream, because he was dumb enough to be so obvious about it, and Megatron because he allowed this guy who was plotting against him to remain not just in his midst, but in his inner most circle.
Peter Cullen IS Optimus Prime. He OWNS the role. A big plus.
I'm not so sure about how Mr. Welker is doing Megatron, though. I would prefer more of an Animated style Megatron, or at least closer to that (cold, ruthless, calculating). It feels to me like he's trying to do Bayformer Megatron too much.
I can appreciate the story mechanics of the Ground Bridge, since it really doesn't make much sense how a bunch of non-flying robots who transform into cars can make to other parts of the planet in short periods of time.
Thinking back to G1, how did the Dinobots get around?

>>"I'll have to get back to you guys on the discussion on Dark Energon (havn't played WFC yet, as I don't have a system to support it :-(),"

My first comment above has links to video gameplay walkthroughs that one can use to view the entire game (I don't have the game either, so I used this method to experience its story).

>>"We seem to have a bunch of either Decepticon clones, or maybe mindless drones?"

Eradicons. They can speak. The spoke like normal bots in the graphic novel, and said one line of dialogue in Episode 1.

>>"We do have some more human kids. They seem unavoidable in almost any form of Transformers I can think of."

Beast Machines?

>>"Is it just me, or does Soundwave not talk? If so, that's a complaint. They've got Frank Welker doing Megatrons' voice, they could have him do Soundwaves' too."

His official bio on the Hub's website says that he's stealthy and doesn't speak much. But that doesn't mean he can't speak. In episode 1, he palys back a recording of Arcee's dialogue instead of talking himself.

>>"It feels to me like he's trying to do Bayformer Megatron too much. "

To me, it sounds closer to WFC Megs, which is a plus considering how they're supposed to be the same guy.

>>"Thinking back to G1, how did the Dinobots get around?"

Robot Mode flight powers.

For some weird reason, the kid at the drive-thru seemed like a cross between a rip-off Sam and Chandler from Friends.

I am suprised that in the begining of the first episode of Transformers Prime (this is a spoiler for those who havn't seen the show)Cliff jumper dies. Since he hasn't appeared in a Transformers TV show for a while.yes I know you saw Cliff jumper a little bit in animated but still.

Don't 4get about energon CJ.

I'm still on the fence about this show. I liked that when they killed CJ, it actually meant something to the other characters and had a pivotal role in the plot, not just killing him to show the situation is serious. I was really pleased by Starscream and Megatron's discussion on Optimus Prime's potential death, especially in that Megatron knew full and well that explosion wasn't going to seal the deal. The kids are there to give the target audience a surrogate in the story, nothing more...and thats just something adult fans will have to deal with. I'm still not thrilled by the animation style, from what I've seen so far they could have done this just fine in traditional animation without the extra gimmick of CG. The plot is painfully predictable, but then again, the show is aimed at kids.

For everyone who ever wanted a Beast Wars-style series with a G1-based story and characters, this is it. Everything is pure awesomeness...until they bring out the humans. Why is it so hard to write a human character in these shows who isn't annyoing? Having said that, I loved Jack's line about "Robot Fight Club."
And Bumblebee. Why does he talk like R2-D2, and why the heck is Rafael the only one who understands him?
Still, the TFs themselves are awesome, and they're almost as fun to listen to as to watch. I thought it was cool how they made Arcee the toughest of all the Autobots.

>>"And Bumblebee. Why does he talk like R2-D2"
That was another thing I was wondering!

To reply to Sabrblade's reply:
>>"Beast Machines?"

You got me there. But I was careful in wording that statement: "They seem unavoidable in almost any form of Transformers I can think of."
"Almost" is my feasible attempt to not look stupid. No, I'll leave my reply to someone pointing that out to make me look stupid :-P. Not to mention in my mind, Beast Machines being a Transformer series is debatable.
As for most of the WFC stuff, I'm torn between wanting to watch your link, or waiting to actually buy an Xbox 360 and playing through the game myself and not having the story spoiled.
Another plot point I want to comment on: the mention that the Transformers (or at least Megatron) are aware of Unicrons' existence. I'm guessing there will be some build up to introducing him into the story line.

Unicron was already well known in Exodus (and I think in WFC too, but don't quote me on that). So it make sense for his existence to be known of in this series. Though personally, after the Unicron-heavy era of 2002-2006, I'd like for them to contue taking a break from Unicron for a while.